Shipping

Please check the shipping address listed in your paypal transaction as you check out! If that address is wrong contact me ASAP since I pack and ship orders quickly and I do it based on the address paypal gives me. I prefer you have a confirmed paypal address since unconfirmed addresses mean I need to confirm the shipping address with you (this takes time and can delay shipping.) If you get an e-mail from me with a subject like Re: Payment received from your e-mail@your e-mail.com it is me trying to confirm something about your order before I can ship, please open it and respond if you want your order shipped asap.

I do not earn money on the shipping. The paypal calculator is not very flexible so if it over charges you for shipping, I will refund the difference. There is a place on paypal where you can add instructions about shipping (for instance if the shipping address is a business address according to UPS/Fed Ex it might allow me to save you money on shipping for certain products if I know about it, otherwise I have to assume residential shipping. If you add your phone number there I can use your phone number if I ship via Fed Ex for certain products and they can call you if there is an issue with delivery.)

If Paypal doesn't charge you for shipping, it is probably because you are in another country or someplace I don't normally ship to, I will be contacting you about it since I will need to find out the shipping costs to your location and send you an invoice for the shipping or refund your order if I can not ship to you or if you don't want to pay the shipping. I normally Sell in the USA but have occasionally shipped packages internationally.

Plants and Fish I only sell in Florida at this time and I am not set up to ship fish yet.

Return and Refund Policy

I try very hard to quickly answer questions about products before the sale. If you are uncertain about a product please ask, I want to make sure that what you buy is what you need and what will actually work for you.

If you buy a product and change your mind about it later and want to return it, I will have to charge a re-stocking fee and I can only accept returns on unused items. I can only make refunds for 60 days after the purchase through paypal. I do not refund the shipping or pay return shipping unless the reason for the return is on my end.

Please contact me for instructions before returning anything. If I'm not expecting something to come back, I won't know what to do with it if it actually makes it to me. Some packages are shipped direct from the manufacturer and simply mailing something back to them won't get you a refund.

If there is a problem with a product, please contact me so we can work something out. Some items are covered by warranty.

DURA-SKRIM 20WW LINER

Exciting news.

Liner in rail bed rig

Just installed liner into small rail bed rig

NEW Prices on Dura-Skrim 20WW Liner

6′ X 10′ $31.49 (This is almost not big enough to do a 4′ x 8′)
6′ X 20′ $62.95 (This is enough for one small rail bed rig)
6′ X 25′ $62.99
6′ x 50′ $125.95
6′ x 75′ $188.95
6′ x 100′ $249.95
11.5′ x 100′ $399.95

Shipping and sales tax not included in the above prices. 7% sales tax will be included on products shipped in Florida.

If you wish to estimate your own shipping costs, see the following.

The smallest pieces of liner ship from Yalaha, FL 34797 via USPS priority Mail. Post Calculator
6′ X 10′ 74 X 4 X 4 @ 10 LBS.
6′ X 20′ 74 X 4 X 4 @ 15 LBS.

The following liner generally ships via Fed Ex from Vista, CA 92081 Here are the shipping measurements and weights for the stock rolls.
Fed Ex Rate Finder

6′ X 25′ 81 X 5 X 5 @ 25 LBS.

6′ X 50′ 81 X 6 X 6 @ 40 LBS.

6′ X 75′ 81 X 6 X 6 @ 60 LBS.

6′ X 100′ 81 X 7 X 7 @ 74 LBS.

11.5′ X 100′ 81 X 12 X 12 @ 135 LBS.

If you want to order, contact me with;
1- your shipping address
2- is it a business address or residential
3- phone number (since Fed Ex likes to have that for the shipping)
4- what size you want

I’ll get you a shipping quote. If you still want to order tell me so and what e-mail you would like me to send the paypal invoice to. I will prepare the shipment as soon as you pay the invoice. If you don’t like paypal, contact me and I can accept checks or money order through the mail but I can not ship until the check clears.
I have not set up paypal buy now buttons for this yet since I want to make sure I’m charging the right amount for shipping. Our standard shipper for the 25-100 foot rolls is Fed Ex for the even smaller pieces, I have to cut them from larger rolls here at the farm and I ship via USPS. Please fill out the form below so I can get you a shipping quote for the liner. If you want a size I haven’t listed above, please let me know, I can probably get you a quote on anything in 5′ length increments up to perhaps 300 feet on 6′ wide or 11.5′ wide liner.

Here at the farm I also have one roll of liner that has been cut in half since I use the half width liner to make the troughs for under my tower rigs. So if you are thinking about doing a tower rig, I may be able to sell you a liner that is already cut in half for it, just let me know.

Please include your name, e-mail address, complete shipping address (if it is a business address or residential address) as noted before the liner usually ships by Fed Ex so please provide an address Fed Ex can ship to, phone number and the quantity of liner you would like so I can get a shipping price to include in the quote and paypal invoice
Thank You.

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16 comments to DURA-SKRIM 20WW LINER

  • Allisyn Wood

    Hi! Is this the liner you use in the photos for the rail troughs? How does it not bust a hole using media?? Regarding your rail troughs, can the items be purchased individually (such as the metal connectors)? I saw a price, but not sure exactly what is included. I’ll reads it over again. The sagging media bed still siphons OK??

    We are using your uni-seals! They are awesome!

    Thanks again,
    Allisyn

  • TCLynx

    Yep the same liner.
    It is tough stuff and I’ve only used light weight liner in the full 12 inch deep beds but so far it is fine with media. Just be careful with shovels, forks and trowels when digging in the bed.

    Yes I can sell the clamps and parts separately. Contact me with the info about what you want and I can get you prices or do up a custom order for you.

    And I do have 2 beds with media and siphons and they have been working fine, Better than I would have expected since they are not even affnan siphons and the water flow into the beds is not all that fine tuned. No breather tubes either.

  • joe martino

    Hey TCLynx. My name is Joe and I represent RAD Services at the Evergreen State College in Olympia, Wa. We are just finishing up construction of a hybrid solar greenhouse, and are planning to build an aquaponics system on the inside, but are working on a tight budget. We are working to wrap the system and greenhouse into academic programming here at the college, in order to further our communal understanding of AP.

    We are looking at using the Dura-skrim, but I have a question; are the metal rails required for the dura skrim product to be effective? Our thought was that we would be able to cut the dura skrim to the size of the bed, and that the weight of the media would keep it in place. I am concerned though that the “sag” is necessary for the pond liner to adequately perform. I am also concerned that the necessity of rails would put this product out of our price range. Any thoughts?

    • TCLynx

      many people build with wood. I happen to live in termite and carpenter ant territory so having liner next to wood creating a nice moist hidden place between the liner and the lumber means I’ve run into problems with pests nesting between them and even eating through from the wood into the liner causing leaks, hence why I’m using metal rails for my construction.

      The “radius” in the bottom is important if you don’t intend on building the sides of your boxes really super strong to keep the water/media from bowing the bed outward. The radius allows the liner to pull downward on the top of the frame rather than pushing the sides of your bed out. This certainly can still be done when building with wood, you just have to secure the top edge of the liner along the top edge of the bed frame.

      • joe martino

        Hey, thanks for the assistance. I’m wondering if you might be able to help me price/size out some of this stuff? I have pond and bed dimensions, let me know if this is something you can help with.

        • TCLynx

          I can help some on that. However if the “pond” is going to be a complex ornamental shape, I’ll have to recommend you get EPDM pond liner since the DuraSkrim isn’t really good for folding into complex shapes. DuraSkrim does rectangular very well but is not stretchy or all that flexible in more than one direction at a time.

          The most popular shape is an almost 4′ wide bed that is about 1′ deep and if you have a slight radius in the bottom corners, a 6′ wide piece of liner can manage to do this size bed.

  • Joe Martino

    Hey thanks! The pond and beds are rectangles. The first bed is 11’2-1/2″ x 34″ x 1′deep. The second bed is 7.5′ x 4′ x 1′deep. The pond is 12x4x4. One random question; you know of any bulkhead fittings that will make it through a 2×6 with enough thread on the other side to get it tight? Thanks again!

    • TCLynx

      How much excess or overlap you need will depend on how you are securing the liner along the top edge and if you are going tight into the bottom corners or leaving a radius curve to pull down on the top edge instead of pushing out.

      To figure out how much liner you need roughly is basic math.
      Length + 2xdepth + 2xneeded overlap/excess = overall length
      Width + 2xdepth + 2xneeded overlap/excess = overall width

      The liner comes in 6′ wide rolls
      or
      11 1/2′ wide rolls
      it is possible to get wider but I would recommend adjusting the pond shape to work with this size or you will be wasting a lot of liner.

      So for the 11′ 2 1/2″ long bed, I would say you need to get a 6′ wide by 15′ piece of liner if you are securing the edge of the liner to the top edge of the bed.

      For the 7.5′ by 4′ bed, You might want to adjust that bed so the interior is just under 4′ wide so that with a slight radius in the bottom corner you will still be able to use a 6′ wide piece of liner and that one would need to be at least 10′ long.

      For the pond, that is a bit more difficult since I don’t know how you will be constructing it or attaching the top edges but the liner will need to be more than 20′ long and 12′ wide, again I don’t know how much more since I don’t know the construction or attachment methods.

      When I plumb through liner, I usually use a plastic backing of the appropriate thickness for the plumbing fitting and cut a larger opening in any wood box to allow the space to install the plumbing fitting.

  • joe martino

    I think we are going to go with a radius curve, it just sounds smart. We do plan to secure the liner to the top edge of the beds and potentially the pond as well. As per the 7.5 x 4′ bed, noted.

    As per the pond, its currently in the ground, and constructed out of cinder blocks on top of a pad. We’ve been talking about building a 2×6 frame on the inside so that we can insulate the pond, but I will admit we need to do more thinking before we order. Thanks for all your help!

    Joe

  • Joe Martino

    Hey TC,

    Just had a quick question, is the duraskrim something that can be cut on site with a box cutter or razor?

    Joe

  • Joe Martino

    Also, I had looked into making more accurate measurements of our pond. Its more of a 12 x 3.5 x 3′ thing. Concrete and square. If I’ve done my math right, and if I’m getting the right information from Raven about attaching to concrete (who I think makes duraskrim) I will only require at most a 2″ overlap. SO, (almost outta breath) it would appear that I would need something thats about 19-1/4″ x 11-1/4″. If that sounds about right to you, would you be able to price that out for me?

    Also we adjusted that one bed to about 38.5″, thanks for the advice!!!

  • joe martino

    Although, I think the 2′ overlap might be a great idea. And actually after reading back on the Raven site it recommends that as well. So it looks like a 23 x 14 liner. Is that something you could supply?

    • TCLynx

      No it comes in 6′ and 11 1/2′ wide rolls. I can get the 6′ wide rolls in 25, 50, 75 and 100′ lengths.
      The 11 1/2′ wide rolls I can probably only get in the 100′ length.
      It is probably also possible to get a 16′ wide roll but that would definitely be a special order and probably also only available in the 100′ length.

      You can get EPDM liner in a wide variety of sizes and that might be the better option for the “pond or fish tank.”

  • do you have a catalog,please send one thanks,frank

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